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Tuesday, 26 April 2016

The TIL...for it is - a fathers advice to his son, circa 1205 A.D. - a musing

[pic tks to JLW]

The Quartermaster:  "He hath been found to be without innocence, and will accept the TIL, in its reverence, until he spaketh no more of his innocence, for his loathesome deeds spake for him. So be it!"

"I recall, as a young knave, in britches clad, with lofty air, my father took me to yon village clearing, where a man, a scribe of the Elders, was held in the stocks, already for four days long, naked and without cloth, awaiting despatch.

My father then spake, in quiet, such hallowed tone
 "look yonder, dear son, this man is to meet his Maker, at noon, forthwith. Never forget his cause, lest this fate become ye, dear son. Mark my word, and mark it good, and forget it not ever, as ye live. Let not thy sky fall, for such dastardly deed".

At noon, the crowd did gather, the rain did come, and the stock wore heavy upon the man, and his arms did bleed, and his feet did bleed, from the constriction of the thing, and the rope. 

And he cried.
4 burly men, dressed in dark cloth, taketh the wretch from the stock, he protesteth strong, his screams ever loud. But his pleas were to find no ear, his tears to fall on unfallowed ground, the place of beast, and vermin rife, rent asunder all, according to the Word.
And the TIL did begin, as the carve did begin, and the church bells did sound, and the carrion did fly, and the thunder did clap, and the crowd it did roar, and the women did weep, amid the cries of lament, from the man. O the pain! For so disfigured was he, for the carve did begin.

For forty days he did hang, in obtuse fashion found, and for seven days he did bleed, to show rebuke to all men, who dare to copy this cause, according to the Word.

They cut him then down, and dragged him then on, and so to the pit, and placed him with short shrift, in turf unmarked, in foreign field, where no man did go, and wild beast only did roam, with vermin aloof, where Wormwood did play, and hold court, so cold, in the night.

Be it clear, to all men, that the punishment apt, for such wicked cause, that this scribe doeth perform, upon such innocent babe.

And my father looked up, into the Heaven above, as we left that black place, and spake the word true, forever to heed:
"my son, mark my word, and mark it good, and forget it not ever, lest this fate become ye, dearest son, as ye live. For, it is the Word, and thus is, forever. Hear me well.....".   [jg]

below, from Reddit.com

281 points and 265 comments so far on reddit

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[–]apostrotastrophe 44 points45 points  (46 children)

Get this:
I just read a book for European History that was written in the 1660s. In the war, soldiers had the officially sanctioned right to "forage" from peasants, stay in their houses, eat all their livestock, and rape all their women. They used to go around torturing peasants for fun, and one of the things described was tying peasants upside down to stumps so their bums were in the air, then sawing back and forth in their crack with a piece of cloth until they reached bone.

My god. Someone call Lord Beric Dondarrion to sort their shit out.
[–]GreenStrong 28 points29 points  (8 children)

Germans, Japanese, and Russians fought WWII on those brutal terms.
Xenophon's Anabasis is a very readable original source for how a "well disciplined" ancient army worked. They were 10,000 Greek mercenaries, fighting their way out of Persia after the king who hired them was killed. He had passages like "after the city's defenses were breached, the men showed great discipline, leaving the city undamaged and the men's possesions intact, taking only the livestock, women, and a few attractive boys". Xenophon was an educated man, writing a history that he knew would outlive him, but it never crossed his mind that it might be immoral to break into a city that happened to be in his way, eat the food, and take whatever slaves might be useful.
[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (6 children)

It wasn't immoral then.
[–]crocodile7 2 points3 points * (3 children)

Of course. That's why we have the 3rd Amendment in the USA:
No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.
This was not passed just for fun, but to deal with a real problem at the time.
[–]fuckiforgotmypass 2 points3 points  (1 child)

That's the third amendment.

[–]crocodile7 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks, corrected.[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I plead the 13th![–]Varthak 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Help! Help! I'm being repressed!
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (21 children)

that was part of why America declared independence. not the torturing part (hopefully), but the fact that the british soldiers could basically do whatever the fuck they wanted[–]Kuhva 22 points23 points  (20 children)

Most of it was Taxes and rejection of European Oligarchy... however you have ended up with your own Oligarchy now. [–]odd84 8 points9 points  (12 children)

The soldiers aren't tying us upside down to tree stumps. Not quite time to revolt just yet.[–]spydereleven 3 points4 points  (11 children)

No, they're only kicking pregnant women in the stomach and pepper spraying people. Not quite the tipping point yet.
[–]Horaenaut 6 points7 points  (1 child)

As long as we are today-I-learning, it is of note that the pregnant woman kicked in the stomach story is being called into question by The Stranger (the Seattle newspaper that broke the story). So, I guess our doomsday clock just got pushed back a couple minutes.
[–]bitparity 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Did no one watch The Patriot??? THAT MOVIE WAS A DOCUMENTARY!!!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ah the good old circle of Oligarchy.
Just like clockwork... if said clock was owned by the few.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

and interestingly, the taxes they paid were way less than what we pay now..

.[–]apostrotastrophe 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I'm pretty sure they had far, far, far, far less infrastructure. [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

yeeea...that would be the "without representation" part. but still...

[–]apostrotastrophe 0 points1 point  (1 child)

The without representation part refers to not having any representatives in parliament... how is that related to infrastructure?[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its funny, but its not..... if I laughed does that mean I am a psychopath?
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[–][deleted] 129 points130 points  (34 children)

Well, that's horrible.
[–]FormerContra 36 points37 points  (7 children)

What scares me is that "TIL an execution method." there's no 'of' in there. Did someone practically teach him how to torture people this way?!?
[–]robothax 63 points64 points  (3 children)

He says "TIL an ancient execution method involved ...", so he learned that a method involved hanging people upside down, etc. Had he said TIL an ancient execution method involving then it would mean what you said, that he learned how to perform it.

[–]Te3k 0 points1 point  (2 children)

This is better:
"TIL of an ancient execution method which involved..."
This is also acceptable:
"TIL that an ancient execution method involved..."
[–]Tuna-kid 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Someone's english teacher somewhere told them the word "that" is almost always unnecessary to use, and really just a way to fill out a sentence. I really took it to heart.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I didn't even notice that! Haha awesome. "Tomorrow I'll learn how to prepare and eat the remains!"
[–]thebardingreen 5 points6 points  (0 children)

[–]ridik_ulass 3 points4 points  (9 children)

here is what it might look like weird video
[–]ptsbbam 11 points12 points  (3 children)

what the fuck did i just watch?
[–]quentinp 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Pretty sure I'm programmed to kill someone now.
[–]chabanais 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That was some fucked up shit.
[–]ridik_ulass 1 point2 points  (0 children)

if you watch it from the start its even more so.
[–]Bruiserbruiser 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That could almost top The Human Centipede.
[–]channyboy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

what in the mighty fuck.
[–]DZ302 0 points1 point  (2 children)

posting to watch later
[–][deleted] 57 points58 points  (16 children)

It is said that Caligula would watch such executions while he ate, stating that witnessing the suffering acted as an appetiser.
[–]Gullyvuhr 16 points17 points  (0 children)

My Dad watches Glenn Beck prior to eating, not really all that different.
[–]apostrotastrophe 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Ah, a chance to share the best thing I learned today - "Caligula" actually means "little boot" and it's a nickname he got when he was a kid, because his parents would dress him up in a really dorky miniature military uniform in front of the real soldiers.
[–]432 6 points7 points  (6 children)

Vlad the Impaler would eat whilst surrounded by dead enemy soldiers who were propped up on stakes still rotting.
[–]flfolks 1 point2 points * (0 children)

Probably bullshit. You really gotta be careful when dealing with Roman sources, especially when it comes to its enemies. Caligula made many enemies just based on his politics and that is when the stories of depravity started to surface.
[–]Tuna-kid 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It probably would.
[–]evil_con_carne 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I read this type of executions were his favorite because all the blood rushes to the head and would prevent the victim from passing out due to the pain.Supposedly, he would sometimes get his favorite sister to perform oral sex on him while watching it.
Damn, it feels good to be the caesar?
[–]calmlycrashing 48 points49 points  (1 child)

My taint is shaking.
[–]fondupot 10 points11 points  (0 children)

rattled my sphincter.
[–]kelpie394 33 points34 points  (12 children)

This was in Amnesia: The Dark Descent.
[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (2 children)

The worst method was the Brass Bull, where a person would be put inside a large, hollow brass bull and a flame would be lit beneath it which would slowly heat the bull, cooking the person alive.
To add to it, there is a series of tubes in the head of the bull that vent out through the nose, which make the mans screams from within the bull sound like an actual bull.
However, the most interesting thing to come out of this is it's history of creation. A lord or king of some variety wanted somebody to create him a new torture device, and somebody came to him with the Bull, it was demonstrated without a person how it worked, and the tubes were explained. The king/lord was so disgusted by this creation, that he ordered it's creator be killed by it.
It was also in Amnesia, hence my reply.
[–]Kimimpossible 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I found this quite disturbing in Immortals
[–]Neebat3 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I must be terribly well-educated on methods of torture and execution. There was nothing new to me in the entire game.
I was disappointed that it wasn't scary, but that probably says a lot about me, not the game.
[–]Namika 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Came here to say this.
Play that game and you learn a lot about things you never wanted to hear about.
[–]muttonchopman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That game made me realize that I already knew all these things about torture :/
[–]michallewtak 2 points3 points  (0 children)

When walking the corridor toward that place I thought the sound was panting, only to realise it's something a lot more horrible.
[–]Erumpent 4 points5 points  (0 children)

yep - warning: a particularly disturbing part of this game.
[–]Keaanu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As are many other methods.
[–]KillWithFire 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Day9 was really unhappy reading that one.
[–]Buhdahl 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The various torture rooms in Amnesia made me retch.
[–]azremodehar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I was pretty sure I never wanted to play that game. Now I'm positive. ಠ_ಠ
[–]sir_fancypants 40 points41 points  (5 children)

Humans have always found - and will always find - creative ways of killing each other.
[–]hollymol 18 points19 points  (3 children)

Me and my family once went to a week long holiday to Greece or Italy. Can't remember anymore which one it was. Anyhow, we visited some old manor and it had this medieval tortude chamber in the basement. Among many other fascinating things, there were these big saws that were used in this kind of activity. There were also some pictures that portayed pile of naked women who were sawed from their groin to atleast their bellybutton. Lovely childhood memories.
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

oh god...your poor traumatized child self
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Probably italy
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Bizarre to think those very saws tortured people so long ago. There are probably still remnants of DNA on them.
[–]Jesufication 20 points21 points  (5 children)

I bet the condemned would have lived through a lot more of the process if they'd heated the saw enough to cauterize the wound. Though maybe it would be too deep for that to work.
[–]GTB3NW 33 points34 points  (2 children)

Only on reddit do you get suggestions to improve the method of torture! ಠ_ಠ
[–]Jesufication 12 points13 points  (1 child)

You must not go to many other internet forums.
[–]GTB3NW 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Not the kind you obviously go on ;)
[–]Deathgripsugar 2 points3 points  (0 children)

actually since they are hanging upside down blood would be still supplied to the brain for quite awhile, keeping the person alive.
This is bad, but good ol impaling (through the bum and using the person's weight to make them slide down) is still worse
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, they're also upside down, so the blood flow is reduced.
[–]fraggelsmurf 10 points11 points  (4 children)

Nothing beats scaphism.
The condemned was forced to ingest milk and honey to the point of developing severe diarrhea, and more honey would be rubbed on his body to attract insects to the exposed appendages. He would then be left to float on a stagnant pond or be exposed to the sun. The defenseless individual's feces accumulated within the container, attracting more insects, which would eat and breed within his exposed flesh, which—pursuant to interruption of the blood supply by burrowing insects—became increasingly gangrenous. The feeding would be repeated each day in some cases to prolong the torture, so that dehydration or starvation did not kill him. Death, when it eventually occurred, was probably due to a combination of dehydration, starvation and septic shock. Delirium would typically set in after a few days. In other recorded versions, the insects did not eat the person; biting and stinging insects such as wasps, which were attracted by honey on the body, acted as the torture. Death by scaphism was painful, humiliating and protracted. Plutarch writes in his biography of Artaxerxes that Mithridates, sentenced to die in this manner for killing Cyrus the Younger, survived 17 days before dying.[2]
[–]3klipse 4 points5 points  (0 children)

[–]Monjara 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Oh Plutarch, you'll skip over and try and justify killing a whole village and then you explain in great detail just how this guy was tortured... this guy has some weird ways around things xD
[–]flfolks 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is very likely it is straight up bullshit.
[–]fr3nch13 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Didn't they do something like this on Sons of Anarchy?
[–]DogDay 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Megyn Kelly: "It's a massage, essentially". Sean Hannity: "Death by sawing isn't torture".
[–]Dazzycx 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The aorta(the main blood vessel supplying pretty much the entire body) bifurcates (splits into left and right) around the level of the belly button so this would be the first point you hit a really major vessel - explaining why they may last up until this point.
[–]darkslide3000 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Is this another TIL thread where we throw back and forth more and more horrible ancient execution methods, until in the end we once again all agree that nothing beats the boats?
[–]fierynaga 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Extremely cringe-worthy
[–]En-tro-py 6 points7 points  (1 child)

They do this to a pair of guys in the series Borgia... Was really gruesome even though they don't show anything other than the setup...
Medieval executions were brutal
[–]roflbbq 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I need to watch that. Thanks for the reminder
[–]ohnoohyes 7 points8 points  (4 children)

Another horrible one is being bound, having a sack tied over your head and then tossed into water - thing is, the sack over your head contains an animal like a cat or weasel so your face gets shredded as the both of you drown.
[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (1 child)

That actually sounds pleasant compared to getting your groin sawed in half.
[–]GenericName3 2 points3 points  (0 children)

upvoted for relatively relevant username
[–]egotripping 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Poor weasels.
[–]Monjara 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The Romans tortured people who had killed their father like this.
They would tie you in a sack with a monkey, a dog and a snake then throw you into a river.
[–]alsorobots 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You killed Ted, you medieval dickweed!
[–]AMeanCow 19 points20 points  (11 children)

If I was an alien race, I would have this whole area of the galaxy quarantined just in case. Goddamn us, sometimes I feel we don't deserve the universe.
[–]Jesufication 24 points25 points  (8 children)

Why would you assume an alien race would be any less sadistic?
[–][deleted] 44 points45 points  (6 children)

I heard the gzl'yrox suspend their victims from repulsors and then attach a gravity well borer to the poor soul's urescrota. they slowly turn the thing up until the whole yrox is sucked into a singularity. skillfully executed, the process can take yeweeks and there is one recorded instance of a gzl'yrox loprikinny living for a cencade before being wholly consumed by the black hole.
nobody is quite sure if this method even kills the victim.
[–]aussiegolfer 7 points8 points  (5 children)

Huh. How bout that?
[–]AMeanCow 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Oh I'm sure there are plenty of horrors out in the vastness of the universe, but also plenty of advanced races that learned cooperation and mutual preservation, an equally or even stronger survival tactic than viciousness.
Hell, there's something far more disturbing about cutting someone in half while they scream, with their family watching, than the crazy idea strapping a black hole to someone. It's brutal, primitive and animal-like. How do we know we aren't already some of the worst semi-intelligent creatures in the galaxy? It's not like we can defend ourselves by pointing at our nearest space-neighbors and saying "look! they eat babies!" Oh wait, we do that too.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Its difficult to draw parallels between humans and gzl'yrox, since they are a silicone based life form that lives on a much different time scale than we do. The average human life span wouldn't even let you observe a yrox long enough for you to realize its alive.
But the closest human equivalent to the previously describe gzl'yrox execution method would be like having a superheated marble jammed up your dickpipe. Just the pain from that is bad enough, but then as the gravity increases you feel it pulling on everything. Your body would eventually be overwhelmed by the force and start collapsing into your junk, and even after the force increases so much you become a basketball of human skin, bone, muscle and blood you have to wait until you collapse to a tiny pinprick of blackness from which not even your soul can escape.
Like I said before though, that is just the point at which you can no longer be observed - you might not actually die. Well, a person certainly would, by a gzl'yrox might not. The loprikinny who took a cencade to collapse? That'd be like dying in the most painful way possible and taking fifty lifetimes to do it.
Also, it is worth noting this method is very degrading to the gzl'yrox. Having a low density, voluminous and fragile form is the ideal of beauty in their culture. Being gradually condensed to a point of infinite mass is the worst fate imaginable.
[–]grlthng 1 point2 points  (1 child)

take my upvotes and shut the fuck up
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

but there is so much more I can share!
[–]AMeanCow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You seem to know an awfully lot about them.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would think that if they are advanced enough to reach us, barbarism would be ancient history for them. Who knows? There cannot be suffering without life.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

How do you know our solar system isn't quarantined? We haven't made it very far. . .
[–]AMeanCow 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Could be. We also haven't heard any signals from any of the other predicted intelligent civilizations out there... radio blackout perhaps?
[–]Contra1 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I don't get how people can even think of things this awefull.
Makes me not want to be part of the human race..
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

QUESTION, why only survived until the belly button? Was it such a slow process that they died from loss of blood?
[–]I_Make_Gypsies_Cry 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Once you hit the belly button, you begin severing the large abdominal arteries, which will cause the victim to bleed out in a very short space of time.
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

They were kept alive and conscious, by being hung upside down. Gravity kept the heart and brain oxygenated by forcing blood downwards. But once you hit the abdominal aorta, it was all over.
[–]Tesatire 5 points6 points  (3 children)

They have a medieval torture chamber at Medieval Times, CA, it houses a bunch of devices used in torturing or killing someone. On a recent trip there, someone (my father) decided that my 5 year son could handle it and wouldn't understand what was going on anyway.
The saw that was used in sawing people in half had an illustrated picture next to it to help you better understand how it was used. Personally, I think that the paragraph description next to it was enough. Of course, this is the one that my son paid special attention to and proceeded to run to get get Grandpa to show him what he found. I sat there mortified that my son actually understood what was in this room.
[–]Mantipath 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Those exhibits are often faked. In particular, the iron maiden is a fraud.
[–]Watawkichaw 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Was that in San Diego? I went to a torture museum/exhibit there about 10 years ago and this device as well as the Iron Maiden were the 2 that always stuck with me. Oh, that and the worn down wooden pyramid you sat your asshole on and they hung 50lb weights from your legs.
[–]Tesatire 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Buena Park. Way above San Diego. But they had those there too.
[–]Anesta 12 points13 points  (0 children)

[–]conspeakus 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Mankind has not evolved much has it? Only a few years ago, Iraqis executed American hostages by cutting their heads off. It was captured on tape too. Sick.
[–]oldwound 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Cutting heads off involves very less torture than above said methods, isn't it?
[–]CyberTractor1 3 points4 points  (1 child)

If you play Amnesia, you'll find out some even worse ones.
[–]TwoHands 0 points1 point  (0 children)

INCLUDING the one the OP mentions... with a delightful little caricature.
[–]MEaster 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Why can't they just behead people. Why go through all this complicated nonsense. ಠ_ಠ
[–]bitparity 2 points3 points  (0 children)

A painless death was frequently a reward. Like if you confessed, you'd be "rewarded" with beheading, rather than being broken on the wheel or drawn and quartered.
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Because it wasn't significant that you died; it was all about how you died, and how much you suffer beforehand.
[–]RedB78 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fuck... damn, I don't even... fuck.
[–]shaughnessy42 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ouch, Charlie
[–]Munchy2k 1 point2 points  (0 children)

[–]MusicMagi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Some sources[who?] say that the method was probably never used[
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This, and many other reasons is why I would be afraid to time travel by myself, without guns.
[–]mjxl47 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you think that's bad read about impalement. I've heard that the best impalers could keep people alive for days, slowly hammering a huge stake up their bums.
[–]munki_unkel 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I will now think of this when the turkey gets carved.
[–]whenimup 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My girlfriend has read up on ALL those old awful torture death methods. It worried me...
[–]CampfireHeadphase 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Everytime I read about torture methods I secretly hope parallel universes do not exist.
[–]blockhead123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i get it.
[–]Battletooth 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"Sorry everyone, I gotta split!"
[–]Sati1984 2 points3 points  (0 children)

[–]lookslikeabear 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There is a podcast episode from Stuff You Missed in History Class that tells about this and other horrifying torture means. http://castroller.com/Podcasts/StuffYouMissed/949939
[–]paramitepies 1 point2 points * (0 children)

If anyone isn't familiar with Vlad the Impaler, the man dracula is based on, now would be the time.
[–]SasparillaTango 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Play Amnesia, learn all about those great ancient execution methods.
[–]Khorib 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Actually... its not that many of them survived up til the belly button.... many of them remained CONSCIOUS up til the belly button. Ugh...
[–]raging_asshole 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Another ancient torture method I enjoy: the bronze bull.
Basically a huge hollow bronze bull with a hatch, they would put someone inside it, and then light a fire underneath it. Imagine being trapped inside a metal box that is slowly becoming burning hot from the bottom. You try to spread out and avoid the searing hot surface, but soon your fingertips and feet are burning and fusing to the metal. Eventually, you cant hold yourself up anymore. Your whole back starts to sizzle as it hits the surface. You start to choke on the smoke of your own burning flesh. Every movement is agony, every breath is choking, and it's only going to get worse until the sweet release of death.
Yeah, pretty fucking gnarly.
[–]corporateswine 2 points3 points  (14 children)

apparently Nazi scientists used to do this in concentration camps too to study the affects of controlled blood loss or something.
[–]ExdigguserPies 9 points10 points  (12 children)

If you want some really sickening shit, look up what the Japanese did to patients in one of their medical research facilities.
I've just about managed to block the images from my imagination.
[–]QBlank 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Found loads of stuff on Unit 731 - holy shit is all I can say.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Unit 751?
[–]ExdigguserPies 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Possibly, I try not to think about it.
[–]corporateswine 1 point2 points  (8 children)

Ah shit! what was that movie where they dunk the ladies hands into freezing water until they are all frostbitten and gross? the name was along the lines of "Something Something of the Rising Sun". ah, if you can remember this for me i will owe you 1 XL hug
[–]gilleain 1 point2 points  (7 children)

this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behind_the_Rising_Sun_(film) ? (edit : reddit markdown doesn't like brackets at the end of URLs it seems)
(the article could do with some paragraphs!)
[–]corporateswine 1 point2 points  (6 children)

hmmm, im not sure if it was that one, i think it may been too graphic / better special effects to be a 40's movie, may have been this one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empire_of_the_Sun_%28film%29 but im not sure, i cant remember if it was in black and white or not. dammit reddit! this is my whole day circling the drain here!
[–]drcyclops 2 points3 points  (3 children)

It was probably Men Behind the Sun.
[–]corporateswine 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Yes! this is it! this is that fucking movie, thank you so goddamn much! By my people's customs we are now married, so come here let me touch your face honey....
[–]drcyclops 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not again!
[–]gilleain 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, that one makes more sense.
[–]gilleain 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Doubt that it was Empire of... - that's a film about a child growing up in a Japanese POW camp. Good film.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Empire of the Sun is an autobiographical book/movie written by/about J.G. Ballard growing up in Shanghai, so that's not it.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

[–]haltingpoint 0 points1 point  (4 children)

OMG! Does anybody know the name of the movie where it was like a fantasy setting, and someone was being executed by having to slide down a giant blade while straddling it? Similar concept and can't remember the name of the movie for the life of me. But very relevant.
[–]SpaceMonkeyMafioso 8 points9 points * (2 children)

I saw this a long time ago and it has never left me.
Edit: The movie was "The Long Ships" and the device was The Mare of Steel. I'm off to clear my search history...
[–]haltingpoint 0 points1 point  (1 child)

OMG your Google-fu has surpassed mine! Awesome detective work and yes it was indeed the Mare of Steel that I was referencing. Unfortunately looks like Sony has taken down the Youtube clip of this for copyright infringement. Isn't it public domain yet? Jeez...
[–]Crane_Collapse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

[–]twixx62 6 points7 points  (0 children)

That thought makes my crotch sad.
[–]syuk 0 points1 point  (1 child)

If you think that is bad, think about the 'block splitter' - this was a metal triangular wedge where the executioner sat the victim naked on the edge at the top of the triangle, and then attached a progression of weights to the victims ankles, pulling them over the sharp bit.
Once they got whatever info out of the victim two men 'pulled their legs' until they split into half.
[–]Berkbelts 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well now you have me reading all the forms of execution.... It's 11 am and I am already depressed.
[–]kitesavano 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's gymnastics, essentially.
[–]NPPraxis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I went to a castle in Germany that had a room where they had old torture instruments on display. Iron Maidens, torture chairs, and one of these...I remember taking a photo of their display of it which had the picture on the Wikipedia article.
I think it scarred my childhood.
[–]br0k3nglass 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Reading Pinker's new book?
[–]Baldrick666 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There was another one, used by the Romans I do believe, where you bend over two saplings, then attach a leg to either one, then let the tension go. Ouch.
[–]OhSoSavvy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

[–]Savage_Arms 0 points1 point  (0 children)

that hurts me just looking at it
[–]tictactoejam 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why in God's name did you just tell me that?
[–]always_useful 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wouldn't do this to my worst enemy. Although, that might be because my worst enemy is parallel parking...
[–]Mark_Lincoln 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The thought of it gives you a hard-on, right?
[–]Routa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's a museum dedicated to torture in Amsterdam, and this was there.
[–]adhding_nerd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

[–]Shamwow22 0 points1 point  (1 child)

As George Carlin said: Only humans could ever torture each other like this. Animals are better than us in that regard.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not true. Seals will bite the fins off of larger fish and play with them rather like a soccer ball before eating them, if they eat the fish at all.
[–]mothereffingteresa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Admit it, you're thinking "John Pike."
[–]Zuul69 0 points1 point  (0 children)

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Pics or it didnt happen!
[–]Aeras4109 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My crotch hurts thinking about this.
[–]TheTrollScience 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I actually shuddered reading a detailed description of that... That's fucking horrible.
[–]scrapper 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would expect that nearly every victim would survive up to the belly button, as that is the point where the saw would cut into the aorta at its bifurcation, producing massive hemorrhage leading to loss of consciousness within seconds and death in minutes. Up to that point, the procedure would be extremely painful but not likely lethal unless the sawing was done very slowly allowing sufficient time for relatively minor hemorrhage to have a similar effect.
[–]willscy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was totally ok Not knowing this for the rest of my life. Thanks.
[–]Kevinsense 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I want to know all the execution methods!!
[–]spoonspoon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fuckin' hell, and I was having a great night too. FUCK. I need to see a picture of a kitten now. many, many pictures of kittens.
[–]shoestwo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

[–]Melnorme 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Finally, a use for the sawmills in skyrim!
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Humans are a sick sick race!
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

TIL that op loves stumble upon
[–]a_stray_bullet[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

actually no I dont have stumble upon
[–]errrs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

[–]skifrk29 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Still not as bad as the Anagami Fault.
DRR... DRR... DRR...

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